Saturday, December 31, 2005
Bush Impeachment: Go for the Field goal
By Gerald Rellick
Recent calls for George Bush’s impeachment for his transgressions against the Constitution, the rule of law, and the citizens of the United States, have encountered opposition even from those who, while in agreement with the legal arguments, believe it’s futile to go down this path because of the enormous odds against success. Not only are both Houses of Congress controlled by Republicans, but many Democrats are reluctant to challenge the president on war-related issues while American troops are serving in harm’s way.
It’s worth reviewing briefly past presidential impeachments. The only two presidents formally impeached and tried by the Senate were Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Johnson assumed the presidency after Lincoln’s assassination and inherited a bitter and divided country. The articles of impeachment against Johnson were purely political, rooted in the heated issues of racism, slavery and reconstruction following the Civil War. Johnson was exonerated by the Senate, although by a mere one vote.
The impeachment of Clinton was no less politically motivated. It centered about Clinton’s sexual escapade in the Oval Office with Monica Lewinsky, a White House intern, an act which was extremely irresponsible, but was never considered grounds for impeachment itself. However, the civil lawsuit against Clinton for sexual harassment by Paula Jones opened up the opportunity for the Jones lawyers to probe Clinton’s sexual past, whereupon he was obligated to testify under oath about his affair with Lewinsky. It is here that the Republicans in the House seized upon Clinton’s evasive testimony to charge that he lied under oath. It later surfaced that the special prosecutor, Kenneth Starr, acted in unethical fashion by colluding with the Jones lawyers to set Clinton up for what Starr hoped would be damaging testimony and grounds for impeachment. Starr and the Republicans won that round but the Senate rejected the charges. Above all, the American people saw through the political charade and continued to support Clinton throughout the impeachment and subsequent trial.
The only impeachment that involved genuine “high crimes and misdemeanors” was that of Richard Nixon. Nixon was never formally impeached by the full House. He resigned shortly after the Judiciary Committee handed down articles of impeachment against him.
Although Nixon’s abuses of presidential power were egregious, they involved purely domestic actions rooted in an inconsequential -- not to mention botched -- break-in of the Democratic Headquarters to gain “political intelligence.” Nixon’s crimes came after the fact. There was never any evidence that he approved, or even knew of, the break-in beforehand. Furthermore, his crimes did not involve financial gain on anyone’s part, did not involve serious economic consequences for the nation, did not jeopardize national security, and above all, did not put Americans in harm’s way. Nevertheless, there was little question that Nixon should be impeached for his abuse of presidential power, and it was almost certain that a bipartisan Senate would have convicted him.
The situation with George Bush and the war in Iraq is different. The chaos, death and devastation we witness there daily– two and half years after the invasion – is the direct result of deceit and fraud by the President of the United States. No reasonable person can conclude otherwise. So how can we argue that Bush is not deserving of impeachment? The honest answer is we can’t. But the agony of impeachment is such that many will find some form of rationalization and denial that will allow them to look away. The ironic truth is that it is easier to impeach a president when there is little at stake for the country. George Bush’s crimes are so serious that the prospect of impeachment frightens many, and justifiably so.
I see two major downsides to moving forward with impeachment for Bush’s most serious offenses, those related to the Iraq war.
First, there are concerns about Bush’s mental stability. Rumors of Bush’s rants and raves with his staff are not comforting. Nor are rumors that he is drinking again. No less credible a writer than Alexander Cockburn felt comfortable in citing the drinking rumor in a recent column: “As Hitler did before him, Bush raves on about imagined victories. Spare a thought for the First Lady who has to endure his demented and possibly drunken harangues over supper. The word around Washington is that he's drinking again.” While Cockburn can be inflammatory, and Hitler analogies are always dicey, his words capture a sense that many in the country have about George Bush’s mental and emotional shortcomings.
What would a weakened and cornered George Bush do? Would he move to confront Iran and Syria with military force, to gain an upper hand in his capacity as commander in chief, the one area of presidential responsibility that Congress is most loathe to challenge? The administration’s Nuclear Posture Review of 2001 states that nuclear forces are to be part of new global strike capability to deter and preempt security threats wherever they may arise. The longstanding U.S. position to treat nuclear weapons as a deterrent force has now given way to a new reality, namely, that nuclear weapons might be used in a first-strike against threatening nations or organizations as part of the “war on terror.” Would a desperate George Bush be tempted to play the nuclear card?
A second concern is the effect on troop morale and performance. It is one thing for Congress to debate the merits of the war, but quite another to impeach the president for his failings as commander in chief while U.S. troops are engaged in combat operations. At the uniformed military level, a change of commanders can be effected immediately. But not so with the president. Impeachment is a slow process. While investigation and inquiry could move forward (e.g., the Conyers House Resolution 635), formal impeachment would almost certainly have to be preceded by an agreed on plan between Congress and the executive branch for removal of troops from Iraq. But in the end, only the president can give this order, and Bush would be expected to play his commander in chief role to full advantage, as he’s done all along since 9/11.
So what are we to do? Allow George Bush to run roughshod over the Constitution and the law and continue abusing his office? No, something must be done to reign in a rogue president and to avoid changing the balance of power between the legislative and executive branches that would have serious long range consequences for the United States and the world.
Here’s a thought. Congress could go with the Al Capone strategy. Recall that after years of investigation by the FBI, the infamous Chicago gangster was finally charged with income tax evasion. Although Capone was clearly responsible for countless gangland murders, the FBI had no luck in finding anyone willing to testify against him and so had to settle for the lesser charge. Capone was found guilty of tax evasion, and to everyone’s astonishment, the federal judge sentenced Capone to eleven years in prison.
The analogy to George Bush would be for Congress to similarly limit its prosecutorial ambitions and “go for the field goal” – that is, focus on the secret Bush administration domestic wiretapping program carried out by the National Security Agency. By not challenging the president directly as a failed commander in chief, Congress would allow Bush to maintain full responsibility for the Iraq war, which would serve to lessen any temptations Bush might have to play games with Iraq in order to protect what he must see as his great “legacy”—and legacy it will be, although not as Bush envisions. As impeachment hearings on the domestic surveillance issue advanced, pressure on Bush from Congress and the public to end the U.S. occupation would likely grow.
By this scenario Bush would not face charges of criminal fraud for his deceit in selling the Iraq war. However, it seems increasingly likely that once Bush becomes a private citizen he will face the wrath of the International Criminal Court. According to the Geneva Convention on warfare, the use of fraud in establishing a pretext for invasion of a sovereign nation constitutes war crimes if deaths are involved. It’s not hard to imagine Bush unable to leave the U.S. fearing arrest by agents of the ICC, forever barricaded behind razor wire in his Crawford, Texas ranch. In whatever manner Bushworld is dismantled, most will see it as justice, and all Americans can look forward to the integrity of the United States restored to its former place among nations.
Gerald S. Rellick, Ph.D., worked in the defense sector of the aerospace industry for 22 years. He now teaches in the California Community College system. He can be reached at grellick@hotmail.com.
Recent calls for George Bush’s impeachment for his transgressions against the Constitution, the rule of law, and the citizens of the United States, have encountered opposition even from those who, while in agreement with the legal arguments, believe it’s futile to go down this path because of the enormous odds against success. Not only are both Houses of Congress controlled by Republicans, but many Democrats are reluctant to challenge the president on war-related issues while American troops are serving in harm’s way.
It’s worth reviewing briefly past presidential impeachments. The only two presidents formally impeached and tried by the Senate were Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Johnson assumed the presidency after Lincoln’s assassination and inherited a bitter and divided country. The articles of impeachment against Johnson were purely political, rooted in the heated issues of racism, slavery and reconstruction following the Civil War. Johnson was exonerated by the Senate, although by a mere one vote.
The impeachment of Clinton was no less politically motivated. It centered about Clinton’s sexual escapade in the Oval Office with Monica Lewinsky, a White House intern, an act which was extremely irresponsible, but was never considered grounds for impeachment itself. However, the civil lawsuit against Clinton for sexual harassment by Paula Jones opened up the opportunity for the Jones lawyers to probe Clinton’s sexual past, whereupon he was obligated to testify under oath about his affair with Lewinsky. It is here that the Republicans in the House seized upon Clinton’s evasive testimony to charge that he lied under oath. It later surfaced that the special prosecutor, Kenneth Starr, acted in unethical fashion by colluding with the Jones lawyers to set Clinton up for what Starr hoped would be damaging testimony and grounds for impeachment. Starr and the Republicans won that round but the Senate rejected the charges. Above all, the American people saw through the political charade and continued to support Clinton throughout the impeachment and subsequent trial.
The only impeachment that involved genuine “high crimes and misdemeanors” was that of Richard Nixon. Nixon was never formally impeached by the full House. He resigned shortly after the Judiciary Committee handed down articles of impeachment against him.
Although Nixon’s abuses of presidential power were egregious, they involved purely domestic actions rooted in an inconsequential -- not to mention botched -- break-in of the Democratic Headquarters to gain “political intelligence.” Nixon’s crimes came after the fact. There was never any evidence that he approved, or even knew of, the break-in beforehand. Furthermore, his crimes did not involve financial gain on anyone’s part, did not involve serious economic consequences for the nation, did not jeopardize national security, and above all, did not put Americans in harm’s way. Nevertheless, there was little question that Nixon should be impeached for his abuse of presidential power, and it was almost certain that a bipartisan Senate would have convicted him.
The situation with George Bush and the war in Iraq is different. The chaos, death and devastation we witness there daily– two and half years after the invasion – is the direct result of deceit and fraud by the President of the United States. No reasonable person can conclude otherwise. So how can we argue that Bush is not deserving of impeachment? The honest answer is we can’t. But the agony of impeachment is such that many will find some form of rationalization and denial that will allow them to look away. The ironic truth is that it is easier to impeach a president when there is little at stake for the country. George Bush’s crimes are so serious that the prospect of impeachment frightens many, and justifiably so.
I see two major downsides to moving forward with impeachment for Bush’s most serious offenses, those related to the Iraq war.
First, there are concerns about Bush’s mental stability. Rumors of Bush’s rants and raves with his staff are not comforting. Nor are rumors that he is drinking again. No less credible a writer than Alexander Cockburn felt comfortable in citing the drinking rumor in a recent column: “As Hitler did before him, Bush raves on about imagined victories. Spare a thought for the First Lady who has to endure his demented and possibly drunken harangues over supper. The word around Washington is that he's drinking again.” While Cockburn can be inflammatory, and Hitler analogies are always dicey, his words capture a sense that many in the country have about George Bush’s mental and emotional shortcomings.
What would a weakened and cornered George Bush do? Would he move to confront Iran and Syria with military force, to gain an upper hand in his capacity as commander in chief, the one area of presidential responsibility that Congress is most loathe to challenge? The administration’s Nuclear Posture Review of 2001 states that nuclear forces are to be part of new global strike capability to deter and preempt security threats wherever they may arise. The longstanding U.S. position to treat nuclear weapons as a deterrent force has now given way to a new reality, namely, that nuclear weapons might be used in a first-strike against threatening nations or organizations as part of the “war on terror.” Would a desperate George Bush be tempted to play the nuclear card?
A second concern is the effect on troop morale and performance. It is one thing for Congress to debate the merits of the war, but quite another to impeach the president for his failings as commander in chief while U.S. troops are engaged in combat operations. At the uniformed military level, a change of commanders can be effected immediately. But not so with the president. Impeachment is a slow process. While investigation and inquiry could move forward (e.g., the Conyers House Resolution 635), formal impeachment would almost certainly have to be preceded by an agreed on plan between Congress and the executive branch for removal of troops from Iraq. But in the end, only the president can give this order, and Bush would be expected to play his commander in chief role to full advantage, as he’s done all along since 9/11.
So what are we to do? Allow George Bush to run roughshod over the Constitution and the law and continue abusing his office? No, something must be done to reign in a rogue president and to avoid changing the balance of power between the legislative and executive branches that would have serious long range consequences for the United States and the world.
Here’s a thought. Congress could go with the Al Capone strategy. Recall that after years of investigation by the FBI, the infamous Chicago gangster was finally charged with income tax evasion. Although Capone was clearly responsible for countless gangland murders, the FBI had no luck in finding anyone willing to testify against him and so had to settle for the lesser charge. Capone was found guilty of tax evasion, and to everyone’s astonishment, the federal judge sentenced Capone to eleven years in prison.
The analogy to George Bush would be for Congress to similarly limit its prosecutorial ambitions and “go for the field goal” – that is, focus on the secret Bush administration domestic wiretapping program carried out by the National Security Agency. By not challenging the president directly as a failed commander in chief, Congress would allow Bush to maintain full responsibility for the Iraq war, which would serve to lessen any temptations Bush might have to play games with Iraq in order to protect what he must see as his great “legacy”—and legacy it will be, although not as Bush envisions. As impeachment hearings on the domestic surveillance issue advanced, pressure on Bush from Congress and the public to end the U.S. occupation would likely grow.
By this scenario Bush would not face charges of criminal fraud for his deceit in selling the Iraq war. However, it seems increasingly likely that once Bush becomes a private citizen he will face the wrath of the International Criminal Court. According to the Geneva Convention on warfare, the use of fraud in establishing a pretext for invasion of a sovereign nation constitutes war crimes if deaths are involved. It’s not hard to imagine Bush unable to leave the U.S. fearing arrest by agents of the ICC, forever barricaded behind razor wire in his Crawford, Texas ranch. In whatever manner Bushworld is dismantled, most will see it as justice, and all Americans can look forward to the integrity of the United States restored to its former place among nations.
Gerald S. Rellick, Ph.D., worked in the defense sector of the aerospace industry for 22 years. He now teaches in the California Community College system. He can be reached at grellick@hotmail.com.
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35 comments:
87% are for impeachment so where's
the beef!!!!
I wonder how many US troops would actually favour
impeachment.
" most will see it as justice, and all Americans can look forward to the integrity of the United States restored to its former place among nations."
How naive.
The removal of George Bush, and indeed the neutralising of the whole Junta is important but is not the universal panacea you think.
From an outsiders perspective, Bush is a true expression of the USA. Not that he is typical of all of you, but that he is the average, lowest common denominator.
He is as much a symptom as he is the cause of the situation the USA, and by extension all of us now find ourselves in.
Changing him out for Hitlery Clinton, or Lynne Cheney isn't going to do anything but hasten the end of all you once stood for.
Methinks personally it is already to late for you. Not impossible, just so improbable.
The Sheeple are sufficiently in abundance here as well as there.
It doesnt matter how they remove this lying, murdering sadistic criminal bastard from office, as long as they do it before he has a chance to nuke iran, thereby starting the precurser to ww3. This nation is a constitutional republic who supposedly lives by the rule of law but this mistaken belief has never been more apperent than it is with this administration. These clown in the bush regime have broken literally hundreds of domestic and international laws, yet our law makers stand by and allow these criminals to make a mockery of our legal system. Congress, senate and the supreme court has sat on there hands and done nothing. They have shown the world what absolute fools our government has become and all of this for what ? OIL? POWER? MONEY? The rule of law in this country is just as useless today as the constitution.Its just a goddamn piece of paper....Right king george?
just do it
if the congress and the senate will not do their job then vote their sorry asses out of office. as for bush he needs to be relieved of office brfore he does even more damage to our country and to the people.
Who will do the removal of Bush from office? Republicans? Democrats? I see none of them wanting to risk it....it must be done WITHIN the law or it is illegal. What kind of action is needed? We tried voting....that didn't work.
Just a thought, but once removed from Office he would be liable for a Charge of Crimes Against Humanity and if apprehended off of U.S. Soil could still be held to account before a War Crimes Tribunal.
However, I disagree with author. As traumatic as it might be to Impeach the Monster for his War Crimes it would also be cathartic.
"Know the truth and it shall set you free"
In the end it would be a good thing for the Republic. It would be something that would strengthen the Republic because by confronting and naming the truth, and being willing to do so, is to accept responsibility for bringing this travesty to an end.
Our Republic was founded upon the principles of Limited and Just Governance. We have received neither from the current mal-Administration. For the good of the Republic and the preservation of our principles and honor bring him to account for his crimes. All of them.
I see so mant posters saying that "dubya" needs to be immediately removed from power. I completely agree. This monkey thinks he is above the law...well he is sadly mistaken. In one way or another or in one form or another justice will have it's day with him. Bush and his entire criminal empire are at death's door...and the devil's a'knockin!!!
I also hear so many people say that congress and the senate are all on "dubya's" side so what's the point, he is protected. I say bullshit!! I say the American people all need to put aside their petty differences and their racists views and hatred towards one another. All Americans need to unite as one and take back our country from the corrupted government that has turned this once great nation into what it is today...a criminal empire ran by large corrupt corporations. Forget not these words..." But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security".
For crying out loud: President Cheney???
How is impeaching Bush going make any ultimate difference, when we still have the rest of the circus in town: Cheney, Rumsfield, Condoleesa, and more. The whole crew have to go... any ideas how to accomplish that?
Impeach them all. Sail on! Go Navy!
But the Democrats are just as bad, they're just taking us over the cliff with nicer jargon.
Gosh, look at the oppressive American political climate -- almost everyone here is "Anonymous!"
I say get rid of Cheney first, then impeach Bush. But let's impeach him for WAR CRIMES, and CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. Bombing civilian populations as commander in chief (such as Fallujah, Tal Afar, etc.); and with weapons of mass destruction such as depeted uranium and phosphorous bombs.
Put the "NEVER" back into "Never Again."
But let's not just remove these people from office. Let's have them EXTRADITED back to Iraq to face charges there. Bush, Rice & Cheney all talk about how great the use of torture is. Maybe it's time that THEY get "renditioned" to a 3rd world nation's gulag. Let's see Bush & Cheney tortured into confessing to their treasons, then we can use that evidence against them. What's "good for the goose," is good for the gander.
After all, GHW Bush "The Elder" once reasoned that athiests don't have any rights, because all rights come from God. The same twisted estoppel ought to apply against ANY Constitutional protection arguments raised by the likes of Cheney & Bush. If they hate the Constitution of the United States so much, and actively wage war against it, then they shouldn't be allowed to benefit from it.
PS, Watergate was mentioned in the original thread. I think there was more to Watergate than presented in accepted history. I think the Democrats has evidence of Nixon's peripheral involvement in the murder of JFK. I think that the "Plumbers" were there in Watergate in order to "fix a leak." You know, "that 'Bay of Pigs Thing,'" which even the mainstream now admits is a code for JFK's murder.
Bush is worthy of impeachment, as is Cheney - throw the bums out on their arses and then let the International Criminal Court take a bite out of them. As a former military officer, I would be grateful that the Congress did the right thing, regardless of an ongoing deployment overseas.
The NSA surveillance (and the subsequent abuse of power to find the whistleblower), combined with the insistence upon torture, is in fact Bush's greatest crime. See Creeping Neo-Fascism on lewrockwell.com for a discussion on how these are the hallmarks of a totalitarian state and the tools for perpetual tyranny.
Plus, as the article notes, every 20th century U.S. war was fought on false pretenses. We would have to retroactively impeach half the U.S. Presidents for lying the country into war.
Ah, come on, leave poor Bush alone. It's not his fault. It's God's fault. The Great Creator told Bush to bomb. America is still eating its Big Macs and shopping for everything at Almighty Wal-Mart. Sure, gas prices are a bit high, but we still have gas, dammit. Bush forever! Long live Bush!
IMPEACH????
HANG!!
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."...the integrity of the u.s. restored to its former place..."
It's too late! The worldwide hate and contempt, not only for this criminal regime but also for the kind of people who permitted these crimes to be committed in their names,runs very deep.
Far from being a side-issue, the wiretapping is the most serious of Bush's offences. Not only that, it is the only issue over which the Republicans in Congress will clamour for impeachment, if they realize the implications.
Firstly, realize that no additional Congressional legislation will halt the wiretapping. On the torture issue, Bush relied on John Yoo's bizarre, irrational, LSD-fuelled legal constructions to show that it wasn't torture, the Geneva Conventions and other statutes didn't apply, etc. The VIIIth Amendment (cruel and unusual punishment) should have prevented torture. The Geneva Conventions (a treaty to which the US is a signatory, and is therefore Constitutionally the "supreme law of the land") should have prevented torture. Similarly an international treaty (to which the US is signatory) banning torture. And finally a federal statute against torture.
Against all this, Bush tortured (and continues to torture). So McCain proposed an amendment (that shouldn't have been necessary in the first place) limiting interrogation techniques to those in the Army Interrogation Manual (not the correct name, but close enough). After Bush and Cheney tried very hard to block that amendment, it passed. So now the Army is going to issue a new version of that manual, which will have eight pages that are classified secret. Guess what those pages will say...
There are many other cases where Bush has bent, twisted, broken, or simply ignored the law. No legislation passed by Congress will stop Bush performing domestic wiretaps. With that in mind, you have to ask why Bush chose to break the law about wiretapping, and it's obvious he did so because what he was doing was so bad that the FISA court would have turned him down (they modified 179 of his wiretap requests and turned down at least four others before he decided to bypass FISA).
Bush, like Nixon (another domestic wiretapper) has an enemies list. Bush's is a lot larger, since anybody not with him is against him. Congressional Democrats are not with him. If Bush wiretaps them, he's sure to find many have embarrassing secrets (marital infidelity, sexual foibles, etc.) Secrets that can be used to blackmail them into voting his way. If a Dem stands up to him, those secrets will be used to smear the Democrat at the next election (a real smear works better than a Rovian invented smear).
That's bad enough, but why would Bush limit this to his enemies? He'll eavesdrop on Congressional Republicans too. They seem more prone to infidelity and sexual foibles (both of which are treated very seriously by their supporters) and are far more prone to corruption. The GOP may present a united front, but quite a few of them disagree with Bush on some issues and are less and less likely to support Bush as his popularity declines. But if Bush can blackmail them, they'll be under his thumb just like the Dems.
Suddenly Bush no longer has to pump LSD down John Yoo's throat to get contorted legal constructs out of him. Now Bush can do anything he wants because he can force Congress to pass legislation saying it's legal. And if he can blackmail enough in Congress, and enough people in enough state legislatures, he can get Constitutional Amendments too. Goodbye XXIInd Amendment, hello President-for-life Dubya the first.
That is why he must be impeached. And that impeachment must happen now before he can acquire enough secrets to blackmail enough people to block an impeachment. It is his most serious crime to date because of its potential to permit unlimited crimes far worse than he has so far committed.
Fortunately, if the Congressional Republicans are alerted to the danger, he will be impeached (the articles of impeachment may list other crimes instead of this one, but that doesn't matter). The Republicans do not want to become Bush's finger-puppets, incapable of voting independently on any issue.
Oh, for the cynical, you might also suspect that if Bush can blackmail people like DeLay, he's going to want a very large cut of any corrupt money DeLay receives. The Republicans are going to suspect that too, which is another reason they'll vote for impeachment. But only if they're smart enough to figure all this out for themselves, or if somebody tells them.
But only if they're smart enough to figure all this out for themselves, or if somebody tells them.
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I have my doubts about this. That they are smart enough to figure it out, that is.
I agree. Impeachment needs to happen and happen NOW.
Then hang the guilty.
GREYFEATHER
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I agree with the person, who had the forsight to tell, that Bush's ( & his "Esq" ) is but an expression of AMERICA'S Lowest Common Denominator, as far as Morales and ethical behaviour goes -AND overall inteligent actions and being'ness!!!
I also agree with Rumpel Stisltskin in his(/her?) comment! Too many in the US seem to have Agendas of their own, that somehow, for one reason or another, stops them from being HONEST! No "smelling the coffee" here!
IF all people here would acknowledge the shit done and still going on in DC, then the same acknowlegements when applied to Anybody's life/behaviour & actions will reveal THEM as criminals as well, though only on civilian level in the social pecking order scheme! That seems to be enough of a threat to too many people here!.... This is an apple that looks good on the outside, -or so the Americans still like to think!.... they haven't bothered to find out how the rest of the world sees this "apple" : This American "Apple" is thoroughly rotten inside!!! There's no question about that anymore! IF there was enough people with their integrity sufficiently intact, SOMETHING would be done to remove the crooks ALL opf them, beginning with Wolfovitz, Pearl and the rest of THAT gang -including Sharon! Then it would expand to the Administration-"junta"; Cheney, "Rumsy", "Conda" etc.
If I remember correct, Bush the Elder once said -and it IS documented that he indeed said it, though I will parafraze- "If the people knew what we have done/are doing to this country, they would chase us down the street and then lynch us". HE KNOWS THE SHIT THAT HAS GONE DOWN THE PIPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW, WHAT stops Americans from letting the thoroughly CORRUPT CONGRESS go?????? Tear down = DIVORCE the f---- PARASITE NEST!!! How long does American People need a Congress, that betrays the People EVERY DAY of their time in Office???????????? HOW MUCH out your mind can guys be??????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?????? HOW can American accept the so called "Lobby'ing system go unchallenged????????????????!?!?!??!?!? Only an idiot is blind enough -or inept enough not to do anything about such horrendous INJUSTICE against "We The People"... but here in the US.... oh, nooooo problem!.... "let the parasitic crooks suck us dry, and take ALL our rights away, Noooo problem!... we're fine as long as we some entertainment on TV... preferably as gross and violent and offensive as possible" seems to be the Lowest Common Denominator thinking here!
What about the so called "Judicial System"/Supreme Court??????!??!!??!?!?!???????
"We, The People of America", will get what they deserve with & through their complasancy and complicity!
Impeach Bush and you get "Dr Doom" Cheney, and the neo-cons continue on their merry way. Squashing one roach will not get rid of the infestation.
Another Anonymous states: "What kind of action is needed? We tried voting....that didn't work." ...Try it again, this time with PAPER BALLOTS. You might be pleasantly surprised with the results.
Treat the cause, not the symptom. Diebold and ESS must go. There must be vote accountability. You will not regain the Republic until you fix what caused you to lose it in the first place.
Remove the rigged voting machines and the citizens will run the whole corrupt gang of thugs out of government at the very next election...this includes Congress.
Wasting your time on impeachment will get you nowhere with the ghouls who now control Washington DC. Go for the throat.
Replace this festering sore of a government. Then you can hunt down and prosecute the traitors at your leisure.
Your "downsides" to impeachment are curious as are your rational for limiting the scope of an impeachment for bush.
bush's mental health as a rational against impeachment? Are you serious? If that's a problem then bush must be removed under the 26th amendment as unfit to serve.
If it's not a problem for the 26th amendment, why would it be a problem for impeachment?
Your second downside is equally perplexing. Why would impeaching the President for lying us into war demoralize the troops more than say, being lied into war? Are you saying it's somehow better for our troops to be treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed a steady diet of bullshit?
By your logic, it might be demoralizing to the troops not to find WMD in Iraq, so the solution is to not report that no WMD's were found. Does that make sense? It doesn't to me.
Third, your Capone analogy is very weak. Prosecutors got him on everything they could. They didn't puposely narrow the scope of prosecution out of concern for Capone's girlfriend, or because Italian American Troops would be upset if they also added muder or bootlegging to the charges.
My belief is we have to attempt impeachment because it is the right thing to do. It's not about politics, it's about the rule of law. Either you have it or you don't. You can't have the rule of law sometimes but not others.
My guess is that bush will not be impeached and convicted. Conviction takes a two-thirds vote by the Senate. The probability against conviction should (in a country governed by the rule of law) have no impact on going ahead with impeachment.
We need to attempt impeachment on all relevant charges because it is required of us if we are to uphold the rule of law.
The solution is not to impeach, since We the People cannot directly impeach anyone. Our representatives and senators are all conspiring criminals who help the Commander in Chief. The previous poster was right when he/she pointed out that President Cheney is not a valid alternative.
Only by resignations can these people be truly purged. Now, what will get them to resign?
Massive demonstrations and general strikes would bring this country to it's knees. When we refuse to contribute to the system by staying home from work by the thousands, then we can dictate terms to these people. The corrupt corporations cannot advance their agenda when we refuse to be a part of this. Another possible way would be (and far easier, I think) would be the development of a buyer's strike. Imagine what would happen if a few million Americans boycotted all sporting events, television, radio, restaurants, bars, liquor stores, fast food, and any non-essential activities and simply stayed home. Although we would be working, refraining from buying anything would be far easier and refraining from any voluntary overtime at work.
Even a work slowdown would have an impact.
Only by costing these greedy pigs money would be effective. The political system is unsalvageable. Don't even bother.
The gangster classes refer to us ordinary mortals as the "Great Beast."
When the "Great Beast," awakens to the fact that the gangster classes have planned to use nuclear weapons on us from the beginning, we may then have a chance to see why they refer to us as the "Great Beast."
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You can't get rid of a cancer tumor by removing some of it...... you have to remove it all.
The time has come,
To stop the talk and start to walk the walk.
IT IS TIME TO BUILD A GALLOWS ON THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN!!
A Prediction: Don't waste any more precious time or effort on George W. The poor, stupid bastard is gonna be snuffed by his own handlers(father), and that event will usher in Martial Law.
Bush won't be impeached. He will leave office in 2008 with a substantial retirement (70% of $400,000 per year). He will not leave the US unless he wants to go on trial for war crimes. He will make brief appearances for PR and fade from public view after a few years. Pathtetic but true.
oh please we are supposed to belive the poor troops can't handle their commander in chief being impeached on the war issue as well as the rest. That somehow we would need to get the troops out of Iraq first, that is beyond insulting and the ultimate sheeple position. It's just too scary to impeach the SOB for everything he did? That is the very timid perspective that has gotten us into ever corrupt situation our government has ever done. The framers of the Constitution would be truly disgusted! He needs to be charged with every single crime he has commited, and the list is long, and that is just the stuff we know about. While we are impeaching him we should be inditing Cheney and Rummy and the rest for thier crimes and making sure that the Democrats know that if they end up in power next they better start serving the people or we will kick their ass out of office too. It's our country and we need to start acting like it before there is nothing left!
Dick Cheney would need to be simultaneously impeached since he is an itnegral part of the actions of this administration and is probably more responsible for it's actions than Bush himself.
Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert is probably no better, but an impeachment would probably weaken any Republican taking over the White House and reduce him to a caretaker position for the remainder of the term.
This experience indicates where a Parliamentary form of government would be superior to our present form since we would then have new elections and the out party could then take over.
The most successful impeachment scenario would involve the Democrats winning in November '06 and taking control of Congress with then the dual impeachment of Bush & Cheney and then Speaker of the House nancy Pelosi becoming the 1st woman President.
Speaking as a non-white, we have an understanding of the historical record that we think is a true account not clouded by the myth that many white Americans dwell in. From the genocide that founded this land when the native nations were systematically destroyed to create this masonic linked state call the United States of America to it's history or destroying all threats to its imperial aims.... we say to those who are afraid of the Skull and Bones George W. Bush...
He will not go down without a fight to the death.
For someone who stole the election of 2000. For someone who stole the election of 2004... for someone who is simply carrying out plans laid out by the Zgbiew Brzynzki at the behest of elite interests and families like the Rockelfellers who control Oil in the United States... They'll give you George Bush if they thought for an instant that you wanted real change.
Many of you whites forget that the last few US Presidents all came from Yale... Bush, Clinton, and Bush. That tells us non-whites is that whatever it is about those so-called elite universities is that they are the breeding grounds of white supremacist imperial activities who upon gettng into positions of politiocal power lead to war to steal resources and murder people.
Clinton was no less a murderer than GWBush. But what many may not connect is that those campaigns all served the same aim and goal of controlling the Eurasia region as Brzynzki puts it.
Now when whites are screaming for the Bush Junta to get "impeached"... we call them AGENTS to protect the real criminals like the PNAC and Council on Foreign Relation who concoct the plans that are given to Presidents that they install despite the appearance of Democracy to carry out agndas of corporate elites.
We who have lived through all of the crap whites do to non-whites and the whites of conscious NEVER bother to even notice.. now call out to stop injustices done in your own name after it's been already committed... in our court of law... you are as much guilty as the CEOs of ExxonMobil/ChevronTexaco/BPAmoco, of the Military Industrial Machine.... as the Founding Theives of the United States who created a "democratic" nation from the genocide of Native Peoples and the enslavement economy of Africans.
GWBush is not the first to call the Constitution a "piece of paper." Many on the boweries of the United States once listened to a song called Winter in America by Gill Scott Heron who spoke the same thing.
As you whites grasp to your illusions.. remember that Bush might have been tellng the truth about that. All you have to do is look at the history of America to see that in practice... it's all that it'a ever been.
But now.. are you going to cry about it.. or do something about it?
Bush should be impeached because it is the "right" thing to do. He swore to uphold the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land and then called it a "damn piece of paper". He has spied on American citizens simply because he can. As for Cheney & the rest - you take it one step at a time. Remove from office when & where you can.
Yes, lets go back to paper ballots. Enough of this voting theft!
Are the Democrats any better - probably not. We need to have more choices - more than "cancer or polio".
Everyone talks about war _ when did Congress vote to go to war with another sovereign country. I seem to have missed that. Yes, I know there are troops "over there", but at whose behest. When did Congress abdicate their responsibilty & accountability?
I can't help but feel that I live in a country that is ruled by a leader who was not "duly elected" & whose views do not support those of the people. If we can't have a truly democratic government then we'd better think of a new form of governance.
Pertaining to the 1 posting about Nuking Iran it should be looked at this way the reaosn why Bush never invaded back in June 2005 below is a report what was never released to the US Publick or Aired on the News atleast of what i know of..
Source: Romania Libera, 12th of April, 2005:
Iran repulse that it bought nuclear rockets from Ukraine
Iran has repulsed for the first time the information according to Ukraine has been delivered cruise rockets, with nuclear capacity, AFP relates.
Hamid Reza Assefi, Iran Minister for External Affair's spokesman has added that "it is Ukrainian government's duty to offer more information, in case that it exists".
The ex Ukrainian administration has sold to Iran and China cruise rockets with nuclear capacity, the president Viktor Iuscenko declared 10 days ago. Many rockets of X-55 type (as NATO AS-15 presented in the NATO's catalogue) has been exported having the support the false contracts, that indicates Russia as receiver country, Iuscenko declared .
Sviatoslav Piskun, Ukrainian general prosecutor has disclosed information to the daily "Financial Times" before Iuscenko's testimony. Six rockets have been delivered to China and other 12 rockets to Iran.
Iran has officially rockets called Chahab 3, with an incidence of 2000 km, based on north-Korean technology. Having a rocket with the incidence over 3000 kilometers would be a threat to Israel, the first possible target of Teheran.
Posted by: Nordik - USA
All you bunch of wackos! Move to amsterdam and go smoke your self even stupider!
Our country has a responsibility to protect itself from foreign enemies. As much as you all would like to believe, 911 was NOT a Bush conspiracy.
Get sober, and get a clue.
"All you bunch of wackos! Move to amsterdam and go smoke your self even stupider!
Our country has a responsibility to protect itself from foreign enemies. As much as you all would like to believe, 911 was NOT a Bush conspiracy.
Get sober, and get a clue."
By GOD this rebuttal is brilliant! Why hasn't anyone put it all into focus so succinctly before!?? (Means: simple, accurate, undeniable...)
You're clue has made me see that all is well here in the USA after all. I can go right back to being a patriot, who's highest and noblest ambitions and potentials are;
1. To shop for, and subsequently dispose carelessly of, innumerable useless plastic objects.
2. Consign all my earnings and property to collateral debt contracts so as to finance the biggest, dirtiest, most mechanically retarded and unfit horseless carriage money could ever be wasted on. And a home built as rapidly as possible, out of the cheapest materials, by the lowest bidding contractor, who is just sober enough to drive a nail (I think). Well worth all the inescapable debt. It's good for "the economy" and good for "Uhmerica" At least that's what all the ads, ceos and republicans tell me.
3. Watch completely unproductive and de-educational television programming (Like sports, or reality TV) in order to drown out the very real and imperative concerns and objections I would otherwise have against my government's ill actions or lack of necessary action, if I only had a brain. If the TV isn't enough, I can just drink myself "sober", like the president...
4. Be a lemming like yourself. That way I'd feel safe and know I was right, like everybody else I know, until the end.
I don't know about you Jack, but I don't need anybody's "protection". Not this administration's, and not from the thugs on the block who'll kindly offer to "protex yu's" for a small fee...
I'm an adult of the species, and I took the RED pill. I defend myself, I defend my family, I defend my land. From threats abroad and from WITHIN.
DON'T TREAD ON ME.
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